Welcome
Welcome to Dare to Discuss, a bi-monthly event for readers, reviewers, and bloggers to have in-depth discussions about books. Anyone and everyone is welcome to participate and join the discussion. But first, here’s a few rules.
Rules
- Be polite. All opinions are welcome in this discussion and contrasting viewpoints are encouraged, but be respectful and polite. This discussion is about the book. Check your personal vendettas at the door. Thank you.
- Feel free to link to your own review of the book in the comments, but please keep the discussion here. That way everyone can join in!
The Book
Aza Ray is drowning in thin air.
Since she was a baby, Aza has suffered from a mysterious lung disease that makes it ever harder for her to breathe, to speak—to live.
So when Aza catches a glimpse of a ship in the sky, her family chalks it up to a cruel side effect of her medication. But Aza doesn’t think this is a hallucination. She can hear someone on the ship calling her name.
Only her best friend, Jason, listens. Jason, who’s always been there. Jason, for whom she might have more-than-friendly feelings. But before Aza can consider that thrilling idea, something goes terribly wrong. Aza is lost to our world—and found, by another. Magonia.
Above the clouds, in a land of trading ships, Aza is not the weak and dying thing she was. In Magonia, she can breathe for the first time. Better, she has immense power—and as she navigates her new life, she discovers that war is coming. Magonia and Earth are on the cusp of a reckoning. And in Aza’s hands lies the fate of the whole of humanity—including the boy who loves her. Where do her loyalties lie?
The Reviews
Melanie @ MNBernard Books says:
The world of Magonia is so fantastic! It’s unique, it’s intriguing. There are so many parts of it that are offered to the reader and yet… there’s one part that created a barrier between me and the world: the intangibility of it. Much of the world was explained in vague concepts. [Full Review Here]
Lilyn @ Scifi & Scary says:
Magonia is a young adult novel that provides swashbuckling adventure, romance, and snuffly moments galore. It’s a story that gives the readers a taste of the true love they all seem to crave and skirts neatly around a love triangle. It’s fantasy mashed against reality, where some of the edges bond together. And the ending? So not what you would expect, and absolutely awesome. [Full Review Here]
David @ The Scary Reviews says:
[Aza’s] attitude is a bit flippant but I enjoyed that she doesn’t take life too seriously and let it get her down. I really enjoyed the first third of the book along with the very real way the author approaches Aza’s impending death. […] The last two-thirds of the book was a strange mix of fantasy and fairy tale along with something else I can’t put my finger on. I’m not sure if I missed the boat, no pun intended, or if this book was just too out there for me. [Full Review Here]
The Discussion
Please note that spoilers are acceptable and likely to happen! You’re encouraged to ask your own questions about the book for other discussioners, but in case you don’t have any, I’ve listed a few below to get the ball rolling.
- What are your thoughts on the mythology of Magonia? How would you feel about ships in the sky?
- What do you think could have been done differently in the book to make it better?
- Was this your first time reading about disability in YA fiction? If so, did it have an effect on your experience with the story?
Love what you’re doing here, even if I’ve yet to read this book.
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It’s gonna be a bi-monthly thing and Lilyn and I will be hosting. So, make sure to check our blogs and twitters for announcements about November’s book. Maybe you can join us then. ^.^
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Twitter? Don’t have one but I’ll read your blog and hope for the best!
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Haha! That works, too. :p We always do promotional posts beforehand.
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I’ll do that then!! 🙂
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Lilyn – To answer you question a bit better about why I checked out. It was all of the talk about the people on the ship being birds and or people at the same time. It was such a stark difference from where the story started that it left me wanting to know what the heck happened! I thought I had started to read a different book.
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Oh, that is a good point. Even now I don’t think I have even a mostly clear idea of what the ship people look like!
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Was I the only one that found Aza’s interactions with her ‘ship’ mother odd?
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Hmmm. It was a little odd, but it was such an odd situation in general that I never really thought too much about it.
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Maybe that was just a me thing. I tend to read a bit too critically sometimes.
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Nothing wrong with that!
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Nah! I definitely didn’t understand their relationship either (as I stated in another comment. I’m all over the map right now.) Like Aza rejected her at first, but then seemed to forget her own family almost right away and then trusted her mother when her mother was obviously shady and didn’t give her any reason to trust her or anything. It was so forced.
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We are on the same page about so many parts of this book (except I that liked the beginning). I agree that when Aza was on the ship it all progressed too fast and her relationship with the ship mother was very odd and off putting.
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Haha! I may just be too much of a YA reader at heart and expect a faster-paced intro. (though, I write fast-paced intros, too. :/)
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I like a faster pace most of the time but I was really hooked on the authors ability to deal with the potential loss of Aza, and then the reaction of her passing. That is cool you are a writer. Some of the best people I know are writers! 🙂
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Bahaha! Writer for me = master time waster. :p
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That whole part of the situation was so weird I expected weird. So… you have a loving family for 16 years and then ‘real mom’ sends someone to basically kill you so you can come home and be the savior of the world — yikes! I wouldn’t know how to react to that, either. Though maybe I’d have wondered if ‘real mom’ was actually some sort of unrelated, crazed magical stalker. Which, in part, she sort of was…
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She did some across as a bit crazy…but then again, she’d been through hades, had her child kidnapped, fighting to survive, etc. So it makes sense, even if it doesn’t make her…likable.
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Exactly. The situation and the character held together — it all made sense.
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Villains don’t have to be likable. ^.^
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Is she a villain O.o?
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Define villain. I mean, she could be a villain. It would seem like she wants destruction of something (possibly humans) and that would definitely be villainous in some eyes.
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In their world, aren’t humans the equivalent of cows? They provide things we need, and we know they have some intelligence, but eh…cows. Useful or hamburger. (to some people.)
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Yup. Villain. She wouldn’t deign to think of humans as anything worth time and space.
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Tao23 – I know Magonia was a serious departure from what you normally read! Would you read something like this again?
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Oh, definitely. No, fantasy/contemporary isn’t my wheelhouse. Nor is YA, which you could call this — like so many good YA, it’s really more of a book for all ages. But I do branch out on my reading from time to time as my interests shift, or sometimes on purpose to keep the brain agile.
This was well-written and engaging — that’s really all I ask for in a story.
And it did have elements from general literature that crop up often in science fiction — especially the secondary world setting and the young characters thrown into unfamiliar circumstances with which they must cope.
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Very true. Well-written and engaging really is all you need.
With that being said, I don’t think I’ll be reading the 2nd one. I’m afraid of it not being quite as good, and ruining my overall impression.
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I would probably not, unless the fantasy portion was done with a better transition.. I like YA and fantasy but this most of the time.
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I’d expect the transition to be a lot easier the second time, since everyone knows what’s up now. So I think I’ll put the next book on my wish list & will pick it up after a month or two.
That does bring up something about the ending — the reunion with the parents felt very compressed and rushed to me. Kind of like “I don’t want to draw this out, so they totally believe her right away.” Hurrying on to the next book.
I sympathize as someone who also often writes too-abrupt endings.
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The ending did feel kind of compressed, but… I think it was still okay, with the way she did it. Also, I think Aza had time to think about what she’d say, didn’t she? And what she reveals to them is SO intensely personal.
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I agree, it was and did feel rushed. I would have liked at least one more chapter to cover this part of the story.
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I think maybe another chapter+ to it might have mellowed that ending out a bit though.
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The sentence ‘I’m right here. And not’…. that is a knife to the heart!
I don’t know how the author can write with such a perfect grasp on those feelings. Did anyone else feel the emotions as strongly as I did?!?
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She did an amazing job. I wanted to hunt her down and just pepper her with questions. Like “How did you know? How do you know this? How did you get inside our heads like this?!”
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The author was awesome when it came to emotional communication. There were times when I wanted to say it was over the top — especially the spots where it broke into playing with word shapes and layout for impact — but those high-intensity moments were sparing enough that they didn’t lose their impact.
And the thread of the emotions wasn’t lost through the less emotional moments. I’ve seen plenty of authors who were good at one or the other, but not as many who balanced intensity and remembering to show the impact of intense moments later.
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The I {{ }} you more than {{{ }} stuff really stayed with me. At first I thought “oh, that’s silly” but then it just…stayed in my head. It was surprising.
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I think this particular part of the story went over my head a bit. Maybe it’s because I grew up in the Myspace/AIM era and it felt too much like inappropriate, juvenile chat speak. Or perhaps I just don’t have the emotional experience in life to truly understand the depth of these statements. But it just… didn’t connect to me for some reason.
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I think part of it for me was that you can fill in the blanks. Its not a trite declaration that’s been said a hundred times. Its what YOU feel. “I love you more than chocolate.” “I care for you more than Zeus cared for sex.” “I adore you more than Narcissus did his reflection.” “I love you more than humans love oxygen.” etc.
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Haha! I love your blanks. :p (And I’m totally not creative enough for that apparently. I read them mostly as blanks.)
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People read in different ways. that’s one of the reasons I love these discussions!
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Me too! I find our differing opinions to be fascinating!
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Why didn’t the middle of the book work for so many of us??
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I think there were a couple reasons why the middle of the book didn’t work that well. I mean, the middle of the book was when the real plot kicked in and she found herself on the ship and she was trying to figure out her relationships and her life and where she stood. She was trying to accept the way things were, but not let go of her past. And her interactions with the other characters on the ship just felt… wrong, in my opinion. That and the pacing did a massive jump that caused in-cohesion for me.
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David – you have a point about the ‘checking out’ in the middle of the book. I did that a little bit myself. I was going through re-reading it last night/today, and I realized that even though I clearly remembered the beginning and the end, the middle was a bit fuzzy for me. Still…that ending was fantastic!
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The story had such strong momentum up until Aza died. Then she was on the ship and was when it fell apart apart for me. It was such a sharp turn in the story,
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Do you think there’s something the author could have done to ease the transition?
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That is a good question. I wish I had a good answer but I sadly do not. To me it was like two different stories that were smashed together.
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I think the way the story was (apparently) conceived and executed, the only real way to ease the transition would have been to greatly shorten the first segment leading up to Aza’s death. Probably to a chapter. Which would have shoved a lot of the development of her character onto the shipboard environment and limited background to flashbacks and exposition and probably clumsy dialog. It would have also really put a dent into establishing Jason’s character and his importance to the story.
As it is, it really is two novellas strapped together. It’s clunky, but the other way around I think would have put more emotional distance between the reader and story.
My take is the author really wanted to tell the story and said, ‘to heck with the flaws, this is the path I choose.’ Glad she did.
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Clunky is the perfect description. I wouldn’t want Aza’s development to be lessened in any way. She was great! and so was Jason. I would have rather seen less of the shipboard part of the story shortened if anything.
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Yeah, the shipboard part could have been a little less.
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I think you’re absolutely right on this. It is 2 novellas strapped together, and it does have issues but it works so well in general that its easy to overlook the flaws.
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Hmm… I never thought about it that way. I was actually looking for less background in the beginning. I’m so used to it being filtered in throughout the later chapters, that it seemed to drag for me. But I can understand your need for the background. It really sets up the importance of the characters and their interactions and their personalities. Though, perhaps one or two less chapters? Some of that didn’t feel entirely necessary in my opinion to write the story.
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Oh. I’m totally the opposite. I felt the book dragged until she got on the ship and suddenly bolted ahead, but it was so abrupt that it didn’t feel right. So, I’m with you on that page. (no pun intended.)
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I actually didn’t like the ending. But I don’t generally like happy endings. I think my biggest issue with the ending was how unrealistic it felt for me. Yeah, she had a body suit, but it wasn’t gonna last very long and they didn’t really have any back-up plans. I guess I’m too much of a planner for these kinds of endings.
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she was ripped away from her parents and life so suddenly. I can see her doing everything she could just to get hugged one last time even if she didn’t think it was going to last.
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Yeah. I suppose I could understand that, but I’m not sure how I’d feel about going back to my family in a different body. I’m not sure I’d want to cause them that kind of pain of being like: ‘Hey! I’m back, but I’m probably gonna have to leave again soon. For good this time. Okay, bye!’ I dunno. That seems kind of selfish in my opinion.
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She’s 16. Aren’t most 16 year olds selfish and unthinking for the most part? Especially ones that are stressed out?
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Mm. True.
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I know from reading your (Melanie’s) review, that you didn’t really care for the way Aza was, but for me, that was a big part of why I liked it so much. Aza is defiant and mouthy and brave and extremely funny. Yes, she thought/talked about death a lot, but getting close to those anniversaries/limits, the possibility of death weighs on you like a 2 ton truck on flimsy boards. So, i guess I just bought that part more than anything else. It seemed “right” to me.
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I liked her, her attitude was good. I just didn’t care for her when she was on the ship. It all felt strange. I thought the thoughts and talking about death was so well done it made me emotional.
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Oh yes, the part where her mom was telling her she could…I’ve had to do that to my kids, so it just made my heart break in two.
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It hit me hard when the author said “she’s gone…. and we lost her” I know what that feels like too well. And ‘being lost’ from losing someone close. The author did such a great job with all of her descriptions on how they felt from losing Aza
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Yes. — This brief bit affected me a lot too: “Pills?” said Carol. “I notice you’re looking a little—” “A little what?” “A little pi,” says Eve. – Just that innate understanding. “A little pi.”
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I don’t want to ‘like’ this comment, but it’s my way of saying I feel for you. I can’t even imagine how hard that must have been. You are so much stronger than I’ll ever be, Lilyn!
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Interesting to see the different reactions to the character. For me she really walked the line between too much internal hand-wringing and turmoil and just being interesting and believable in her life circumstances and then her dislocation from her old life. There’s sort of a trope of instant adaptation in which protagonists spend a paragraph having a “realistic” reaction to a situation and then they’re over it and being all heroic.
I appreciated that the way Aza was written bucked that trope, even when I was a bit annoyed as a reader and thinking “she’s still going on about that (there were several “thats”?”
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See, I don’t think I ever got the sense of ‘hand-wringing’. I would say flippant acceptance paired with frantic denial. She’s a courageous fighter, and a scared almost sixteen year old. – But thinking about it, I can kind of see where you might say hand-wringing. She was very dramatic!! ………..but what sixteen year old isn’t? LOL
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. lol
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I think so many protagonists end up accepting so quickly because that’s so often what we’re told to do in real life. ‘Life moves on whether you do or not’ and so it kind of forces people to move on in books. That and most YA books are written for short attention spans. So they can’t spend too much time dwelling even if it is realistic.
But I did like how it was brought up again and again, like she was still easing into it. It felt a little abrupt and out of place at times, but it was there.
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Oh! I agree with you that it was right. Her reaction was natural, but I guess it isn’t the type of book I like to read, if that makes sense. And then her personality kind of struggled when she got on the ship. I think that’s what really threw me was like… she lost her whole personality the second she found herself alive again when she should’ve stayed the same person. Her skepticism kind of… vanished.
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Did it vanish or was she in a perpetual state of shock and confusion? On the other hand, hadn’t she spent her whole life feeling like something wasn’t right? That she wasn’t really human?
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Hmm… Maybe that didn’t come through for me and that’s why it felt like it vanished. Hard to say.
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This was my first time reading about a character with disability in YA or in any other genre and I loved how the author wrote Aza. I thought she was a great character.
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What did you think of Jason?
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I really liked him. He treated her no different because of her illness and wasn’t shy to address it with her.
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I kind of thought he seemed almost too perfect. Aza was flawed in so many ways, even though she was perfect as she was. Whereas Jason was….all sweetness and light even in his pain.
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I can totally see your point of view. Jason didn’t really get a dark, grungy side. Yeah, he got depressed and he went into PI, but… I dunno. There was no extreme that I was looking for, that I would expect from such a devastating loss and frankly, everything came just a little too easy for him. Does that make sense?
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I wasn’t looking for a dark grungy side, but…just some…acting out. In the non-alligator suit way.
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You mean like… more teenage-boy angst kind of scenario?
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Yeah. Hell, even an F-bomb or some yelling or internal resentment towards Aza would have done it for me.
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Yeah. In that sense, I totally feel you. There wasn’t enough raw emotion given the circumstances.
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And that is all you can really want out of a friend, someone who sees you as you, not your illness. But, part of the way his chapters read was kind of selfish… The whole part about wanting to ride in the ambulance with her when she was rushed away is extremely selfish in my opinion. I don’t know, I had some qualms about him.
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I agree, parts of Jason were great others not so much. A good part of the overall book was like that for me. I loved it for a while and then didn’t care for it at all in other parts.
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I was very back and forth about the book. It seemed interesting, but took forever to get into it and then it did get into and rushed, but took random pauses. The pacing was way off in my opinion and that really didn’t help my opinion of the book.
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I’m glad I’m not alone on feeling that way. I loved the book until Aza died and then when she was on the ship I wondered what happened. Then she was back with Jason and her family and it was good again. But the ending was way to rushed for me.
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Honestly, the beginning dragged for me. It took forever to get to the main plot in my opinion and when it finally did it was like… it was just thrown in. Which is no doubt why we all felt a little iffy about the ship part. Though, I hated the ending.(but I’m not a huge fan of happy endings in general). And it was severely rushed.
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Honestly, I didn’t like Aza. I understand she has a severe disease and she’s a teenager and her life sucks, but even after she found herself on the ship, it was like… her personality just didn’t match up with the events that were going on. I dunno. She was all like: ‘you’re not my mother, but I’m attached to you.’ and the whole thing felt off in my opinion.
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Wow, that is exactly right! she was a different person and it matched with how the book was so different at that same point in the story.
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Was this your first time reading about disability in YA fiction? If so, did it have an effect on your experience with the story?
This wasn’t my first time reading about disability in YA fiction, but it was definitely the one I connected the most with. Now, I know that’s because of my daughter’s illness, so I’m biased, but I think the author did a GREAT job in communicating that fearlovepain.
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I totally agree. The author did do a great job communicating the fear and pain. Also the loss her friend Jason felt when she died.
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And I’m on the opposite side of the spectrum with this being my first book dealing with disability. At least, a disability that was so severe. It added a very dark, yet realistic quality to the book. And I don’t know. I guess, I was a little disappointed by that, but I stay away from contemporary because I don’t like books being too close to reality. Is that a bad thing?
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I normally avoid books that get too close to reality, and avoid contemporary like the plague. I think this was like the perfect storm for me.
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I hear that! Though, this book I think was verging a little too close to contemporary for me. (or maybe I’ve just been in dsyopians for too long. :p)
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What are your thoughts on the mythology of Magonia? How would you feel about ships in the sky? – I didn’t realize this was a REAL thing until I was reading more about it somewhere. Then, of course, I had to look it up. The idea is absolutely fascinating, and one of these days I will sit down and find out more!!
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There are so many little fanciful tidbits in history, so I was not so much surprised as pleased someone had found one I’d never heard of before and built a story around it. Part of my personal background was as a fan of role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons, which is about just that sort of thing, so I appreciated it, and that the whole thing had no flavor of an RPG — there are enough series and books that cater to that taste.
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I would love to know how the author came across Magonia and the clouds in the sky. Its one of those things that it doesn’t seem like you’d just casually find!
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I wonder if we’re seeing the author shine through a bit there, in Aza and Jason’s love of voracious reading and discovering the obscure. 🙂
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I have a feeling we are! But her google-fu skills are STRONG! I wonder if she’s one of those people that just writes down random bits and stores them away for stories later.
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They’re arbitrary background knowledge of the unknown and unique definitely allowed for the implementation of Magonia. Had they been normal teenagers or even only slightly abnormal teenagers, the connection would never have come through. That part of the story would have been forced. Yet, it worked well in this story, the connection at least.
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I actually really liked how she worked this into the story even though I didn’t like the shipboard portion.
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What specifically about the ship portion did you not like, David? Do you know? I’m curious because something didn’t set right with me about it either.
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It was all very vague and under developed. I also didn’t like the way the author made the people birds at the same time. I also could follow what exactly was going on with the ship. The way everyone reacted to everyone else was just so odd. I know that isn’t the clearest explanation but it is hard to put into words.
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Oh my goodness. The bird people. There were the Magonians, the bird people, and something else and I just got lost. There was way too much introduced at once with no real explanation of it and I thought Aza was a bird person for a while. It lacked a LOT of clarity. That is probably one reason why I couldn’t get into the ship part of the book.
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That is the way I felt. I don’t think I would read this author again. Sorry to the author!
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Totally agree with you. Good idea, but implementation.
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Did you feel that the actual mythology limited the story though? Or do you think it makes it more real?
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I don’t think it limited it at all. In fact, I think she could have done more.
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