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{DISCUSSION} Time Travel

Is time travel really a good thing?

We’ve had a lot of heavy topics in discussions lately and I thank everyone who took joined me to chat about them because they are important topics. However! I’m going to change that. Today we’re discussing time travel and all the possibilities and paradoxes that go along with it. ๐Ÿ˜€ (Or… at least all the ones I’m familiar with. Hee hee!)

Time travel.ย noun.

The movement of a person or persons into a point in time that is not the present.

(Yeaaaah, random definition I made all on my own. :p )

Anyway! Time travel is basically a person moving through time to a point in the future or past, which can be in any increment of time (because every time traveler starts by testing a few seconds or minutes at a time. You know, the safe bet.) Of course, with any breakthrough in science, some responsibility is tacked on. And there is also the concept that time is not linear, but we only perceive it as linear (thus the present isn’t really the present. Blah blah blah.) But let’s try to keep this discussion simple (because I really don’t want carpel tunnel by the time I’m done with this post. Hahaha!)

Rules of Time Travel

1. Do not change anything! Big, small, ANYTHING!

This is a rule that everyone agrees on because our present is the way it is because of things that happened in the past. No matter how good, bad, or ugly the past was, our society evolved into what it is because of those horrible things. So, for all the self-righteous people who want to travel into the past to save humanity or whatever, well… you’re screwed! You’re likely going to cause a worse future because we won’t have a history to learn from.

(Although… I might accept people promoting green living earlier in the world and protecting mother nature.) Even so, if this did happen, the future that the person returned to would have been changed by something they did. Thus, they would (in no way whatsoever) be returning to the present they know. Thus, we introduce the alternative universe paradox.

Now, this is up for debate in certain groups, but I personally am of the belief that if you change something in the past, it would alter your present to the point where you will return to an alternative present. Some people disagree. They believe that you would still return to your own universal present, but then what was the point in changing anything in the past if you don’t even get to reap the rewards of the good (or bad ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) you achieved? Answer me that!

2. Do not let yourself see yourself!

This is another one that you see a lot of in science fiction films and books and it has more to do with psychology than technological science. The concept here is that people believe your brain would be unable to handle a second you in the world. It would literally fry itself out trying to understand how there is a second you standing in front of you.

I DISAGREE!

Because I almost always disagree, but I disagree in the sense that the human brain is something we do not fully understand. So who’s to say we wouldn’t be able to process a second us in the world? More importantly, I have met my own doppelganger before. My mind didn’t explode because I met a woman who looks 99% like me and more often than not people will rationalize that it’s a long-lost twin or something. I don’t believe the human brain would just implode because it saw a copy of itself. To suggest this would mean that the human brain is a lot less complicated and capable than we have previously believed. (But I’m not a neuroscientist or psychologist so I recommend discussing it with one of them. :p )

Furthermore, it’s been okay for your younger self to see your older self in time travel because… you don’t know it’s yourself? That still doesn’t make any sense. Just because you see a copy of yourself, doesn’t mean you’ll go insane. Honestly, time travel is such a huge concept in the world nowadays that I don’t think anyone would really balk at the idea of their future self coming back to warn/advise their past self. (Of course, when you do this you’re back in paradox theory. See #1)

3. The universe often makes it impossible to have personal gain.

Again. Not sure I agree with this one, but I also don’t fully believe in karma or the universe having a control over people, but this basically states that when you went into the past and gained valuable knowledge that could make you rich or famous or something that it will basically be null and void. You’ll end up losing said knowledge when you travel back into the future or something will have changed that makes your knowledge useless. Whatever the cause, you will be unable to change your present with knowledge you gained in the future

I think that this particular item is more a construct of our society than an actual rule/regulation/random effect of time travel. I think our society sees personal gain as wrong and that’s why it always ends up in the way that it does with the character gaining nothing from all the good that they did. And again. I don’t agree…. >.>

But what do you think about time travel?
What do you think would happen?
What rules would you follow?
Leave your thoughts below!


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52 thoughts on “{DISCUSSION} Time Travel”

  1. Wow, time travel. While I like the concept, I tend to shy away from time travel stories because of how complicated it can get… like, what if we time travelled back 1,000 years in time, accidentally stepped on the red ant that would have bitten someone who should have been a bodyguard that day and his less-competent replacement should have let an assassin through to a renowned king?! And all because we stepped on that one red ant, the king didnโ€™t die and we changed the course of history! ๐ŸŒ€๐ŸŒ€

    But I do have a favourite video game with a time travel story! Itโ€™s an old game called Chrono Trigger, and I love the time travel rules they put in place to make it simpler. Like how they canโ€™t travel to a precise point in time but instead they travel to a different era (i.e. if they travel 1,000 years back, spend 2 hours there and go back to the present, 2 hours would have passed there as well). And also, thereโ€™s a rule that time travellers get immunity from changes that ordinarily would have affected them, i.e. if they go back in time and killed their ancestor, they would still be alive even though there wonโ€™t be any traces of their family after that ancestor. Definitely makes time travelling easier for my head. ๐Ÿ˜†

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    1. BAHAHAHAHA! That’s so funny and it’s so true. Like… you could wipe out a butterfly or a plant and it could throw off the entire ecosystem and world and politics and BAM! Your future is screwed. Oops! It’s the butterfly affect, but most time travel stories only focus on the big picture aspects of change, like a person didn’t get to a place on time, didn’t run into so-and-so, which is so arrogant of humans. Like, y’all aren’t the entire world. Other shit happens around us. What if you accidentally set off a mine that shifted the tectonic plates and then yellowstone erupts in the past and covers the entire world in ash. Humans are kind of the least of the problems then. Seriously! :p

      Ew. I don’t like those rules. :p I would want to experience elsewhere and then come back to the same point in time I left. Although, could you imagine spending X years somewhere and coming back to the same time point and being X years older?! That would be so crazy!!! Of course, if time doesn’t move and you don’t age, then people think you’re crazy Alice in Wonderland and send you off to the insane asylum. :/

      WHAT?! That’s so breaking the rules of time travel. How do you throw off a person’s entire lineage but they’re still alive?! OH MAN! Could you imagine if you went back in time, killed your ancestor, and then you’re still alive, but when you arrive back in your own time you look different. Like… your soul still manifested in present time, but because your ancestor died, you now belong to a different family?! BAM! MIND. BLOWN! o.o

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      1. Haha, time travel has a lot of mind blowing stuff! I once tried to read a time travel theory article for that game, and even that is too much for me. Which is why I don’t usually read time travel stories. ๐Ÿ˜†

        I do like the Back to the Future movie series though. ๐Ÿ˜€

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          1. Haha, I used to take basic physics in high school and think, “What have I gotten myself into?!” So yeah, time travel theories go right over my head. ๐Ÿ˜†

            Come to think of it, I haven’t watched Back to the Future series in ages… I think I’ll go look for it now. ๐Ÿ˜›

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  2. My head hurts!
    Best ever time-travel novel? The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers; 1983 to 1802, with some of the most amazing/bizarre characters you can come across.

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      1. The Anubis Gates isn’t a series Melanie, it’s a novel. Tim Powers is one of my fave writers. Fantastical events and characters in thoroughly researched historical settings. Enjoy.

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  3. I love the concept and idea of time travel. Outlander is one of my favourite books, Dr. Who is my favourite television show, and Black Knight (with Martin Lawrence) is one of my favourite movies. I love a good story that has time travel wrapped into the main theme.
    In fiction, time travel is a doable concept but in reality… it wouldn’t work out well. The world has changed so much from the past that we could get sick from anything, not to mention we could bring something back in time with us that the world at that time isn’t prepared to deal with. The same point goes with travelling into the future… the idea of which is awesome but the reality of it is just terrifying.
    I think we discussed this before, but it would be interesting to explore a story that took a more realistic approach to time travel. Person or persons goes back or forward in time, bringing with them a sickness or is unable to adapt to the change leaving them with the only option to return back to their time. Shrug It is just an idea… XD

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    1. I haven’t read Outlander yet, but I watched the show and I LOVED IT! I have the book on my shelf (which I borrowed from my mother), but I haven’t gotten around to reading it yet. Big books scare me because I read so slow. :p

      That is a very good point you bring up. Modern medicine and future medicine could really change how time travel works. Could you imagine taking the flu into the future where it doesn’t exist anymore and you just kind of like… start the black plague in the future? BAHAHAHA! I mean- Oh! THat’s so sad. >.> cough :p

      I would love to write a more realistic viewpoint in scifi of time travel, but I’m not a physics major. That’s so beyond my realm. I can’t even write space travel appropriately, much less am able to tackle time travel! Woah!

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      1. Or… in the case of travelling to the past, you have the knowledge to understand and cure certain things that people didn’t back then. You would save lives that would otherwise died off and in that case changed the future… or maybe you were meant to be back in that time to save those lives meaning the whole reason you were sent back was for more than you originally thought. Mind Blown

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        1. RIGHT?! That’s always the crazy part of like… you went back in time and changed something that was supposed to be, but you were actually SUPPOSED To go back in time and change it. It’s just like: MIND BLOWING! (They played a little bit with this in ARRIVAL, awesome movie), and it was really crazy. They goofed a bit, but it was fascinating! ๐Ÿ˜€

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  4. Haha you always disagree hu? Now I’m with you about the change in the past affecting our present. Seems only logical to ma. But honestly I don’t like the time travel trope in general and tend to avoid these books.
    Don’t see yourself. Really? Why not? I disagree too with this one.

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    1. Hahahaha! It’s kind of my M.O. being the Queen of Unpopular Opinions. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Right? Like the rules given to time travelers just make no sense to me. :/ They don’t seem logical. They seem like random constraints that people just came up with without any science to uphold them (and time travel is generally in the realm of science fiction. so….)

      Though, if you’re talking time travel in fantasy, that’s a different subject. I don’t touch that. :p

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  5. Gotta say, I like the personality that comes through in this post. I also wrote a TT story, and Staci and I are in the same anthology. Personally, it would all be about me and I would know what stock to invest in when I returned. Me, me, me, and if it’s required, burn baby burn.

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    1. Hee hee! Glad you liked it. :p I’m just voicing my personal opinion.

      Oh! That’s very cool, Craig. I didn’t realize you and Staci were in an anthology together. ๐Ÿ™‚ I’m guessing the theme was time travel?

      And yeah, same. I’d probably use it to my advantage to advance my own position. :p Reasons why I’m a Slytherin. Hee hee!

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  6. I love time travel in books and movies but thinking too hard about it seriously fries your brain particularly in terms of the whole paradox thing.

    There’s an old Dean Koontz book Lightning that quite handily gets round a lot of it by just making it impossible to go back in time and to me that kinda makes sense. It avoids all that circular logic that if you go back and fix something, it’s fixed in the new reality and therefore you would never have gone back to fix it.

    If you could go forward it hasn’t happened to you yet and is therefore more flexible. Although there is the argument that time is linear and you can’t go forward as it hasn’t happened yet or because there are a million possible futures.

    It’s all so confusing but fascinating.

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    1. I know, right? It is really mind-boggling and can take way too much brain power if you really get into it. (Reasons why I would never write a time travel book myself. Too much for me. :p )

      Wait. It’s a time travel book that prevents traveling into the past or it’s a book that doesn’t allow time travel? Those are two very different subjects. :p But going into the future could be just as bad because knowing your future/the future can actually change what you and change your future as well, you know?!

      Ooooo. I hadn’t even thought about the inability to travel forward in time due to time being linear. That’s an interesting concept. Like you can’t go to the future because it doesn’t exist yet because it’s based on the decisions you and everyone else make. Crazy! But very ‘duh’ when you actually think about it. :p

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  7. Firstly, Back to the Future is my all time favorite movie. Which basically breaks all of these rules, but I think those rules are great rules. You don’t want to end up like Jennifer and faint and accidentally find out about future. If you go back in time and give yourself a sports almanac with 50 years of sports scores you could mess up the course of history.

    All that being said, I would love to time travel. And if I could time travel I would go back in time to the Revolutionary War period and have a fist fight with James Madison. Not because I have anything against him, but because he was like 5 foot tall and 90 pounds and I think I could take him. Then he would have to live the rest of his life knowing he had gotten beaten up by a lady.

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    1. Bahahahaha! That’s too funny, Deanna. Go back and fight someone just so they have to live with being beaten by a woman. Nice. Best reasons to go back in time.

      Though, technically, I don’t think Marty was supposed to see himself, was he? He had to hide from his future self, but yes, I agree that learning your future is bad. But the past is a different subject, no? (I seriously need to re-watch this series because I can’t remember all the rules. :p Oops!)

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  8. Have you read the Robert Heinlein short story “-All You Zombies-“? If not, go read it this very second. Are you back? No, really, go read it ๐Ÿ˜‰ No, read it…OK, you can cheat and read the Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Zombies), but it isn’t as fun. This is by far the best take on the time travel paradox ever. Nothing comes close. Nobody in the story’s head explodes, but yours might as you try to rap it around all of the interrelationships…

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    1. It sounds very interesting, Trent. I will have to find some time to actually read it. :p You know, along with the rest of my 60+ book TBR. Hahahaha! But I am excited since I want something that’s less common and I think this would be a good pick. Thank you for the recommendation.

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  9. I like the idea that we’ve all been here several times before, so I’d like to do some time travel to see who I was in other life times.
    I’m also a huge fan of Stargate, does that count? They have some time-travel episodes which do get complicated, but they make them understandable.
    I think I like time travel more as a fantasy theory than the complications of real world science.

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    1. OOOOO! That’s AWESOME, Rosie! ๐Ÿ˜€ I never thought about the idea of past-lives and exploring where we were/who we were/etc. (You’re not writing a story on this, are you? I think it’d be awesome!)

      Oh dang. It’s been a while since I’ve watched Stargate. EEP! I’ll have to find it somewhere and re-binge it. (Gosh. I loved that TV show!) :p

      And I think I can agree with you on it being a fantasy element. It’s easier to play with the magic than the science for time travel. Though, I don’t know of many fantasy worlds that touch time travel either. :/ Maybe it’s just a difficult subject in all genres?

      By the way, how would you find your past-self? And, because the population is still increasing across the world, do you believe that there are new ‘souls’ coming into existence or do you think it’s like… a poll? You have to wait your turn to return to the world? I’m curious! ๐Ÿ˜€ (I like talking theory.)

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      1. I think I’d start with a past life regression with a good hypnotist. I read a book once (sorry can’t remember who it was by) this lady found several past lives from her regression, one was so close to this time, that she researched and found the family in Ireland that she was a part of in a previous life, and some of the older relatives remembered her previous self.

        Every now and then I delve into books about Akashic records and past lives, but no, I’m not writing one myself, I much prefer reading and being open to the possibilities.

        Did you know they write Stargate books too? To continue the adventures. I’ve read some, they do vary but I found a good author, Sally Malcolm is my favourite.

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        1. Ooo. That sounds like a really fascinating read, Rosie. I wish you did remember what it was called because I would be interested in reading it. I would be curious if, were this a thing, if the people would be able to recognize like… her soul or whatever that kept coming back. You know? Like realizing it was their relative in a new body? That’d be kind of cool to play around with.

          And I understand. Sometimes it’s much more fun to just read the stories and not have to build them yourself. :p

          WHAT?! There are books? I will have to look into these now! ๐Ÿ˜€ skips off to Goodreads

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  10. The concept always fascinated me in fiction, but I never thought I’d write a sci-fi story. Turns out, I did. And I loved it! Writing about moving through time, what one can learn, what the ramifications are of potential change… It was all so much fun to consider and create. I almost don’t care what the scientific and cosmic rules are. If your story can support your version of the rules, then it will be a fun one.

    Great topic for a post!

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    1. Thank you, Staci! I’m glad you like this topic! ๐Ÿ™‚

      That is a very good point you bring up. Like anything common that we use in fiction, if you can make it work with your rules in your world, then that’s all that matters. Were there any common rules that you kept for your story or perhaps new rules? I’m curious. ๐Ÿ™‚

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      1. I was very vague about how the “travel” aspect of the traveling worked. I’m no scientist, quantum or otherwise, so I thought leaving that to the readers’ imaginations would be best. I probably also cheated a little with respect to causality and paradoxes, because (and I almost hate to say it because it’s a bit of a spoiler), I left the ending vague. Readers don’t know if the character will try to make a change on his end. I left enough clues that they have an inkling of what he decided, but I don’t say for sure.

        So, long comment short, I don’t think I violated any rules or made new ones, because I avoided specifics. If that makes sense…

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        1. Interesting. Leaving it a little vague is a good way to get around the science. Though, my biggest problem is, being a scientist, I want to know even if I won’t ever tell my readers. :p So, I don’t touch time travel. Hahahaha!

          Yes, that makes sense. It sounds like your story focused less on the specifics of time travel and more on the characters, perhaps? That’s a good choice because time travel is really just a plot element, not the basis of a story.

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          1. I always write more character-driven stories rather than plot-driven, regardless of the genre. I’ve gotten good feedback on the story so far, so I suppose it works. At least for people not obsessed with the science behind it all!

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            1. Hahahahaha! You can never satisfy scientists. :p It’s just part of the curiosity that makes up who we are, but that’s great that you’ve gotten good feedback. I do find character driven stories to be far more interesting and well written than plot driven because it ensures the character is active instead of passive. ๐Ÿ™‚ Though, I’m still getting a hang of that myself. is such a n00b writer :p

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              1. I didn’t say I was an expert at it! Only that that’s how I write. But I agree with you—character-driven stories tend to result in the reader caring about the character more, and therefore being more invested. And anytime a reader is invested, the story just sings.

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